Friday, 23 June 2017

You can be EBV negative and still have MS

Some one asked if we were too embarrassed to discuss the paper below. ProfG argues that EBV is the cause of multiple sclerosis, so EBV negative individuals would burst the bubble

Dobson R, Kuhle J, Middeldorp J, Giovannoni G. Epstein-Barr-negative MS: a true phenomenon? Neurol Neuroimmunol Neuroinflamm. 2017;4(2):e318. Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) infection is associated with MS; up to 3.3% people with MS are EBV nuclear antigen-1 (EBNA1)-seronegative compared with 6.0% controls. EBV serology is complex, and multiple antigens are required to assess seropositive status.We examined a cohort of seemingly EBV-negative patients with clinically isolated syndrome (CIS). The size of the population enrolled in the International CIS study allowed us to examine the largest population of seemingly EBV-negative patients with CIS gathered to date.

Yesterday someone mentioned this paper and implied we were frightened to bring it up.

There are EBV negative pwMMS. Does this mean the idea is wrong. 

In fact only 1 of 1,047 pwMS (<0.01%) was truly EBV-negative. Those that were negative were more likely to not make oligoclonal bands.

 I haven't seen ProfG crying in his soup, so I am guessing that he can live with the occassional negative pwMS.

Thursday, 22 June 2017

Myelin Autoimmunity in T cells. Time to say schtop!. MS lesions are EBV killing zones

van Nierop GP, van Luijn MM, Michels SS, Melief MJ, Janssen M, Langerak AW, Ouwendijk WJD, Hintzen RQ, Verjans GMGM. Phenotypic and functional characterization of T cells in white matter lesions of multiple sclerosis patients.  Acta Neuropathol. 2017 doi: 10.1007/s00401-017-1744-4. [Epub ahead of print]

T cells are considered pivotal in the pathology of multiple sclerosis (MS), but their function and antigen specificity are unknown. To unravel the role of T cells in MS pathology, we performed a comprehensive analysis on T cells recovered from paired blood, cerebrospinal fluid (CSF), normal-appearing white matter (NAWM) and white matter lesions (WM L) from 27 MS patients with advanced disease shortly after death. The differentiation status of T cells in these compartments was determined by ex vivo flow cytometry and immunohistochemistry.

T-cell reactivity in short-term T-cell lines (TCL), generated by non-specific stimulation of T cells recovered from the same compartments, was determined by intracellular cytokine flow cytometry. Central memory T cells predominated in CSF and effector memory T cells were enriched in NAWM and WM Lesion. WM Lesion-derived CD8+ T cells represent chronically activated T cells expressing a cytotoxic effector phenotype (CD95L and granzyme B) indicative for local antigenic stimulation (CD137). The same lesions also contained higher CD8+ T-cell frequencies expressing co-inhibitory (TIM3 and PD1) and co-stimulatory (ICOS) T-cell receptors, yet no evidence for T-cell senescence (CD57) was observed.

The oligoclonal T-cell receptor (TCR) repertoire, particularly among CD8+ T cells, correlated between TCL generated from anatomically separated WM Lesions of the same MS patient, but not between paired NAWM and WM Lesion. Whereas no substantial T-cell reactivity was detected towards seven candidate human MS-associated autoantigens (cMSAg), brisk CD8+ T-cell reactivity was detected in multiple WM Lesions-derived TCL towards autologous Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) infected B cells (autoBLCL).

Collectively, the data suggest the involvement of effector memory cytotoxic T cells recognizing antigens expressed by autoBLCL, but not the assayed human cMSAg, in WML of MS patients.



What does this study suggest? 

Advanced Disease is associated with active inflammatory lesions, so maybe not too late for a DMT.

Is it time for the card-carrying  CD4 T cell immunologists to pack up their bags and work on a different condition.

Is it time to say no more CD4, Th17 immunology in lab mice.

There is no autoimmunity to myelin basic protein or myelin oligodendrocyte glycoprotein, Kir 4.1 (potassium channel)

Cells in active lesions recognized Epstein Barr Virus, cells in normal appearing white matter did not.

You don't want your therapeutic drug to increase CD45RO, CCR7- effector memory cells..

The data suggests that CD8 T cells cause the active lesions or are associated with the active lesions and they are killing EBV infected B cells.

How does this fit with the B memory cell idea. It fits perfectly. 
If you get rid of the B memory cells you get rid of the EBV, so nothing to get the CD8 T cells going. It may suggest that blocking CD8 would stop the attack, but it wouldn't remove the problem.

This supports the approach developed by Prof Pender in Oz...
What ever happened to ProfGs hope to be involved with this?

Why MS?

It maybe has something to do with the formation of the B cell follicles creating a steady stream of CNS B cells ripe for attack, if you get follicles in the joint you get arthritis.

However do we find T cell reactivity to EBV because we are looking for reactivity to EBV

Nice study from our mates the Netherlands

Wednesday, 21 June 2017

A NEWsletter for families affected by MS and those who support them.

Digesting Science has sent out the first monthly email newsletter to families affected by MS and those who support them. I'd love to know what you think of our first offering, sent out yesterday. 

We want to update you on project news and tell you about Digesting Science as the kits travel the country (and the world!). We have top tips for families living with MS, written by families living with MS. And we have research news in Plain English.

Reading this blog, I see a lot of comments that suggest most of you are au fait with scientific language and medical jargon. But for those who aren't, reading up about MS research can be confusing and even overwhelming. We really think research news should be accessible for EVERYONE who wants to know more about their condition. And we want to empower people to see beyond the often (shamefully) misleading headlines some media outlets propagate in response to big announcements in the research world. We hope that the Digesting Science newsletter will provide research news that doesn't oversimplify the message, but doesn't obfuscate it with technical words either.

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B cell dependent EAE

Sefia E, Pryce G, Meier UC, Giovannoni G, Baker D. Depletion of CD20 B cells fails to inhibit relapsing mouse experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis. Mult Scler Relat Disord. 2017 May;14:46-50. doi: 10.1016/j.msard.2017.03.013.

This paper warns about the value of using mice to understand B cell activity in MS. It looks at a few published studies or mouse studies and asks you to think.

If we look in the abstract in the paper below , the work is now done in a B cell- and antibody-dependent mouse model of MS. 

Is this the beginning of the airbrushing to make EAE into a B cell disease, this current paper says stop it simply isn't a B cell disease, it is a T cell disease, where B cells and B cell products can influence the T cell mediated disease.

So what is this B cell dependent disease. It is MP4-induced EAE in C57BL/6 mice. Kuerten S, Pauly R, Rottlaender A, Rodi M, Gruppe TL, Addicks K, Tary-Lehmann M, Lehmann PV. Myelin-reactive antibodies mediate the pathology of MBP-PLP fusion protein MP4-induced EAE.Clin Immunol. 2011;140:54-62. 

This model only develops when you have antigen presenting B cells. First, how representative is this very artificial system. (left) 

The C57BL/6 is amongst the most EAE resistant mouse strain and it was thought to be resistant to myelin basic protein and spinal cord disease until myelin oligodendrocyte glycoprotein came around. MP4 is a synthetic protein of myelin basic protein and water-soluble peptides of proteolipid protein, which are both not expressed on the surface of myelin and so difficult to target for antibodies. (Although antibodies may bind to epitopes outside and inside the myelin). So it was found that a disease resistant strain, could not develop disease with a weak antigen in that strain, unless it has a full complement of antigen presenting cells. 

Nothing has been done to show the issues are really different from any other T cell dependent EAE. If you add myelin antibodies to T cell EAE, this it makes the disease worse, usually, but that does not make it only B cell dependent. The antibodies also appear to be detected after the clinical disease (figure right).

Do we base our ideas on an outer extreme? 

Do we follow it without question, I suspect I can guess how people will treat this (this from one of the guys that gave us epitope spread). I have heard the view from ProfG, enjoy. 

Is this why natalizumab work's in Crohns too?

Of course not....but had you thinking:-)
(P.S. In the gut cells home using alpha4 beta 7 integrin rather than the brain which use alpha 4 beta 1 integrin. natalizumab block alpha4 integrin

MS in the guts

Wunsch M, Jabari S, Voussen B, Enders M, Srinivasan S, Cossais F, Wedel T, Boettner M, Schwarz A, Weyer L, Göcer O, Schroeter M, Maeurer M, Woenckhaus M, Pollok K, Radbruch H, Klotz L, Scholz CJ, Nickel J, Friebe A, Addicks K, Ergün S, Lehmann PV, Kuerten S. The enteric nervous system is a potential autoimmune target in multiple sclerosis. Acta Neuropathol. 2017. doi: 10.1007/s00401-017-1742-6. [Epub ahead of print]

Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a chronic autoimmune disease of the central nervous system (CNS) in young adults that has serious negative socio-economic effects. In addition to symptoms caused by CNS pathology, the majority of MS patients frequently exhibit gastrointestinal dysfunction, which was previously either explained by the presence of spinal cord lesions or not directly linked to the autoimmune etiology of the disease. Here, we studied the enteric nervous system (ENS) in a B cell- and antibody-dependent mouse model of MS by immunohistochemistry and electron microscopy at different stages of the disease. ENS degeneration was evident prior to the development of CNS lesions and the onset of neurological deficits in mice. The pathology was antibody mediated and caused a significant decrease in gastrointestinal motility, which was associated with ENS gliosis and neuronal loss. We identified autoantibodies against four potential target antigens derived from enteric glia and/or neurons by immunoprecipitation and mass spectrometry. Antibodies against three of the target antigens were also present in the plasma of MS patients as confirmed by ELISA. The analysis of human colon resectates provided evidence of gliosis and ENS degeneration in MS patients compared to non-MS controls. For the first time, this study establishes a pathomechanistic link between the well-established autoimmune attack on the CNS and ENS pathology in MS, which might provide a paradigm shift in our current understanding of the immunopathogenesis of the disease with broad diagnostic and therapeutic implications.

The opening line of the abstract gives a different twist usual science rag, it says that MS makes you poor. It gets weirder from there.

First we had the microbiota and the nervous system. 

Did you spot the possible link between the microbiome and autoimmunity after alemtuzumab in our recent paper this week, yes there are hidden gems in there. 

It is still free to download and read if you want click and follow the links.

Now we are being told it is the enteric (gut) nervous system that's a problem. We would agree that with time that there are clearly problems with the gut in mice with EAE, and believe it or not we did a project looking at constipation, so in this case we can definitely say the chicken led to the egg. That the gut problems come after the autoimmunity of the CNS.

However, in this study they imply that the gut autoimmunity comes first. They report gut problems before there is evidence of autoimmunity in the CNS in an animal model.  There was significantly less gut motility.

So should we make some students or MD2 count and weigh mouse poohs. It would not be surprising in mice with neurological EAE that there pooh count will be affected, as they eat and drink less when they are neurologically affected, but being a recipient of quite a few mouse number 2's in my time when holding a mouse, they maintain this function early in the disease course.  

They found antibodies that targeted the gut in mice, which were present in some people with MS and there was some gut pathology with MS. If they had made the suggestion that MS was secondary to autoimmunity in lung tissue would this have been found? 

But how does this disprove the possibility that lesions in the CNS has led to de-innervation of gut pathways and the effect is secondary to this. You are not going to get an answer against this from studying post-mortem MS years after disease onset.

But you are going to get support that there are gut changes in MS

Moser AM, et al. Mucosal biopsy shows immunologic changes of the colon in patients with early MS. Neurology, N2.

Objective: To investigate immune cells of the colonic mucosa and faecal short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) in treatment-naive patients with a clinically isolated syndrome (CIS) or early relapsing MS.
Methods: In this cross-sectional proof-of-concept study, we obtained mucosal specimens during ileocolonoscopy from 15 untreated patients with CIS/MS and 10 controls. Mucosal immune cells were analyzed by FACS, and gas chromatography-mass spectrometry measurements of stool samples served to determine SCFA.
Results: The number of total dendritic cells (DCs), CD103+ tolerogenic DCs, and CD4+25+127–regulatory T cells (Tregs) was significantly reduced in the distal colon of patients with CIS/MS compared with controls, whereas we found no differences in the proximal colon. The patients' faecal samples also showed a substantially lower content of SCFA and especially lower levels of butyrate and acetate.
Conclusions: Our findings indicate a disturbed homeostasis of colonic DCs and Tregs in patients with MS which could be associated with colonic SCFA depletion. Although not implying causality, these findings confirm parallel abnormalities of the gut in MS and warrant further research if modulation of the colonic SCFA profile or the colonic Treg pool can serve to modify the course of MS.